Kokanee Trolling Without Downriggers

Kokanee Trolling Without Downriggers

Flatlining or Toplining for Kokanee

Whether you call it top-lining, Flat-Lining, Long-Lining, or Dropper Rigging, trolling for Kokanee without downriggers is a practical, cost-effective, and often deadly-effective method of fishing.

Like everything else, combining the right equipment with the best techniques tempered by experience is an angler’s best formula for success. In our opinion, there is no better source for advice on this subject than Professional Kokanee Guides like Brent Soule of Soule’s Sport Fishing, Outdoor Bloggers like Tyler Hicks of Spilt Milt Productions, and Kokanee Tournament Anglers like Tom Schnell.

Brent Soule is a professional fishing guide in the Pacific Northwest who specializes in giving his clients a great Kokanee fishing experience. He understands that many of his clients are inexperienced, so he is driven to develop the most effective techniques that are easy to master.

Tyler Hicks is an angling video blogger whose primary fishing vehicle is a kayak. As such, when it comes to Kokanee trolling, Tyler has spent hours and days on the water figuring out some of the best practices for trolling without a downrigger. He then shares his knowledge with anyone willing to listen to his videos. Tyler is a highly respected angler advisor with a large following.

Tom Schnell is a past board member of Kokanee Power of Oregon. When he’s not fishing in a Kokanee derby, he can be found trying new tackle and techniques on the water. He is also an outdoor writer for Northwest Sportsman Magazine.

These top Kokanee anglers employ non-downrigger trolling techniques for Kokanee when downriggers are not needed or the bite is near the surface. They each have developed their own unique and compelling style. 

 

Kokanee Trout Trolling Without Downrigger

 

Let’s learn what we can from these experts – Brent Soule and Tom Schnell

Q: When you guide Kokanee, how do you decide whether to use downriggers or go flat-lining?

Brent Soule:
The winter months are usually flat-lining times (November to April). Most days during this time of year, there will be a lot of jumpers, indicating that fish are likely near the surface.

I would encourage you to look at your depth finder. If you see schools of fish that are densely packed together, they are most likely pike minnows, not Kokanee. If they are more loosely schooled, they are probably Kokanee.

I usually don’t see fish on my finder until they reach a depth of 30 feet as they move away from the boat in the clear water. This brings us back to the idea of jumpers being an indicator worth observing.

Tom Schnell:
Any time I go below 40 feet down, I use down riggers. Above 40 feet, I usually use a combination of down riggers and long lines/droppers.

I use dodgers with their weight to get down to 10 feet on the long lining. If I am going deeper, I will use a dropper set with 1-3 oz of weight.

I do not like going heavier than 3 oz since it deadens the fight of the fish. I know people who will use up to 6 oz, but I will use my downriggers if I need to go that heavy.

Q: What rod action and length do you prefer for non-downrigger trolling?

Brent Soule:
I prefer slow action 8 to 9-foot rods rated in the 2 to 15-lb range

Tom Schnell:
I like rods 7 1/2 – 8’ in length.

Our favorite long lining and dropper fishing rod is Edge Mag Pro HSR 7111-1, a medium-light 6-15 lb 1/4-5/8 oz rod that measures 7’11”. It is plenty limber for Kokanee and has enough backbone for weights if we need to use it as a dropper rod.

Q: What reel style and line do you recommend for someone who wants to try long-lining for Kokanee?

Brent Soule:
I use small-level wind line counter reels with 8 to 10-lb monofilament lines. The combo of longer rods and mono working together will put more Kokanee on ice due to their soft mouths.

Tom Schnell:

Baitcaster / level wind with a line counter. The key is the line counter. It is important to know how far back you are and to be able to return to that spot. 

The two that we use are the Daiwa Lexa 100 LC and the Okuma Coldwater Low Pro LC.

We spool the reels with a 12 lb Maxima Ultragreen (monofilament) line. In our downriggers rods, we go with 10 lb, but for long lining and dropper, we go with a 12 lb line because we sometimes use weights that can fray the line over time.

Q: Do you typically use gang trolls/pop-geers or dodgers? Why? What are your favorites?

Brent Soule:
I use almost exclusively dodgers, as they work with my style of fishing. Plus, you can feel the kokanee at the end of your line compared to the heavier dragging gang trolls or pop gear.

  • #1 color day in and day out, any time of year, is the gold-plated Arrow Flash Dodger.
  • #2 pink netted wings,
  • #3 50/50 Brass,
  • #4 copper/moon glow and,
  • #5 Wonder Bread.

Tom Schnell:
We use both for long lining and dropper rods.

  • For long lining or dropper rods, we prefer heavier dodgers or ones that have a material tendency to dive on their own.
  • For down riggers, our primary dodger is the PCT Arrow Flash dodger.
  • For lake trolls, Cousin Carl is tough to beat. It does require some weight, though, to get it down to the depth you want.

Q: What does your standard setup consist of? Do you use sinker sliders? What about bumper leaders?

Brent Soule:
On the end of my main line, which is always mono (I don’t care for braid), I slide a sinker slider onto the line and tie it to a swivel.

Then I snap on a 36” bumper, then snap on a Dodger, then tie on either a Twirly Gig rig or a soft tied small, bladed spinner with two single size 2 hooks on a 20” leader to start.

I can shorten the leader as the fish tell me what they want.

Tom Schnell:
Whenever we use a dropper set, we use a sliding sinker, which requires a bumper leader.

If you do not use a bumper leader, the weight will sit on top of the dodger, ruining the dodger’s action. We use between an 18-24” bumper.

Q: Do you get the best results from spinner rigs, little spoons, hoochies, or something else?

Brent Soule:
The best Kokanee rig is a soft-tied spinner rig with micro-size blades.

I usually don’t use hoochies with blades as that is a larger bait size than I like.

Twirlee Gigs are another great choice. Occasionally, I use small Spin-n-Glos, and several plug-type lures work well.

Tom Schnell:
All of it works, and none of it works. We have found that the color and speed often dictate the results.

We use spinners, little spoons, hoochies, shrimp, and even little cut plugs. The main thing is to have a variety and mix it up. What works today may not work tomorrow. As far as that goes, what is working right now may not work an hour from now!

Q: Regardless of your setup, ‘business end,’ do you tip with bait? If so, what kind?

Brent Soule:
I use shoe peg corn and a can of tuna oil out of a can of tuna.

  • Open and drain the can of corn, dump the corn in a container, and squeeze the tuna oil into the corn.
  • Only put one kernel of corn on each hook.
  • If you put more kernels on the hooks, you kill the lure’s action.
  • I am not into coloring the corn or using a lot of different scents.
  • If I use scent, I use a small container to do just a small batch at a time.
  • If you scent the whole batch, you are stuck with that scent, and the Kokanee may not want that scent.

Regardless of your bait program, keep your bait on ICE!

Tom Schnell:
Bait is critical! Without it, your results will diminish.

Number one for us is white Shoepeg corn, followed up with either live (if you can find them) maggots or Berkeley Gulp maggots work, too.

Shrimp can also work in some lakes, although trout tend to like them too.

Using scent on your bait is also something we do: tuna in oil, garlic, shrimp, and anise are all scents we use, often in combination. Again, each lake will vary depending on the scent the Kokanee wants and the time of the year.

Q: Do you have any other advice to share with aspiring kokanee anglers?

Brent Soule:
I would like them to hire me to take them fishing. One of the great things about Kokanee fishermen is they will share information freely. If you’re out on the water and see a boat catching, keep your distance and ask them for a tip or two. You will be surprised how much help some can be.

There are many how-to tips on the internet to watch and learn from. Some of the best sources are the various Kokanee Facebook Groups and forums.

Don’t set the hook and reel according to how the Kokanee is fighting. Never stop reeling, and don’t pump the rod. Just hold it at an angle to use the rod’s action. Lower the rod when the fish is close to the boat. Kokanee is frequently lost when the Dodger pops out of the water, and they go nuts.

Tom Schnell:
Have a boat or a kayak with good electronics. Read all you can on how to fish for kokanee, and then spend time on the water, gaining invaluable experience.

As for Tyler Hicks, let’s let one of his past videos speak for itself:

When you think about kokanee fishing, consider the benefits of connecting with a Kokanee fishing organization such as Kokanee Power or Kokanee Power of Oregon. Such groups advocate for improvements to kokanee fisheries and are a valuable source of know-how for anglers of all levels. 

Also, check out the myriad of Kokanee groups and forums on Facebook. 

Some Key Takeaways

  • Always use a bumper leader between your sinker and dodger.
  • Put your sinker on your line utilizing a slider. The best ones will lock onto the swivel eye of your bumper leader.
  •  Use a relatively short leader behind your dodger. It can be as short as 10” but no more than 24”.
  • Always tip your lure with bait.
  • Never set the hook. Doing so will nearly always pull the hook out of a Kokanee’s soft mouth.
  •  Play your fish by steadily reeling, not by pumping your rod.

Definitions

Dropper Rigging: Incorporating a method for including a weight on your line without attaching directly to the line. It usually involves a spreader or sinker slide so that the weight is ‘dropped’ at a distance from the mainline.

Bumper Leader: A length of line that separates a sliding sinker from a flasher or dodger so that the weight does not interfere with the action of the flasher or dodger.

Slow Action Rod: A rod that bends uniformly from the tip to the butt when resistance is applied. 

Line Counter Reel: A level wind bait casting style reel with a built-in meter that counts how many feet of line have been deployed from the reel.

Dodger: An attractor lure made of a single piece designed to impart a side-to-side action to the lure or bait that is tied on behind it while simultaneously providing visible attraction.

 

Kokanee Trout Trolling Without Downrigger

Kokanee & Trout Trolling

TROLLING: Arrow Flash Dodgers run at a wide range of speeds, from approximately 0.6-1.8MPH. On average, 1.0-1.7MPH is a great range to start with. Let the fish tell you what speed presentation they want that day! Cousin Carl Lake Trolls will run at virtually any troll speed, so experiment to see what the fish respond to that day.

LEADER: When trolling the Arrow Spin Micro Spinner behind an Arrow Flash Dodger, running a leader length from 6-16” can be very successful, with 8-10” often being the sweet spot. When trolling a Wild Weasel behind an Arrow Flash, slightly longer leader lengths are generally used, usually 10-16” in length. When trolling a Cousin Carl Lake Troll with an Arrow Spin or Wild Weasel behind, you can use leader lengths up to approximately 24”.

BAITING: Both the Arrow Spin and Wild Weasel have fish-catching action, but to make your presentation even more irresistible, tip your hooks with your favorite Kokanee or Trout bait. Be careful- too much bait can add drag or block the hook’s point.

Trolling

Kokanee & Trout Trolling

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HOW TO RIG

Arrow Flash

From your main line,

  1. String on the Free Slide with the dropper snap closest to your rod tip
  2. Tie your mainline directly to the Free Slide bead chain
  3. Attach the duo-lock of your Techni-Strand to the Free Slide bead chain
  4. Clip an Arrow Flash Dodger to the bead chain/duo-lock end of the Techni-Strand
  5. Clip on an Arrow Spin or Wild Weasel
Arrow Flash How to Rig

Cousin Carl

From your main line,

  1. String on the Free Slide with the dropper snap closest to your rod tip
  2. Tie your mainline directly to the Free Slide bead chain
  3. Using a duo lock, attach the snap swivel of your Cousin Carl to the Free Slide bead chain
  4. Clip on an Arrow Spin or Wild Weasel
    Cousin Carl How to Rig

    Kokanee Dodger Rig Setup

    The Best Kokanee Rigs for Trolling

    Start with the Best Kokanee Dodger

    Kokanee Dodger Rig Setup

    Kokanee Guides, tournament anglers, and serious kokanee anglers of all stripes will agree that the most essential thing a kokanee dodger setup does is impart action to the bait or lure being towed behind it.

    Color matters, too, as does flash, but the ‘kick’ puts the fish on the bite. Furthermore, the kick helps set the hook when a kokanee does take a swipe at it. 

    The Challenge

    The challenge is finding a kokanee dodger that can produce all the action, kick along with the flash at relatively slow speeds of 1.7 mph or less, and do so reliably every time without fidgeting and tuning the device.

    And since kokanee fishing is generally done with light-action slow taper rods, the dodger mustn’t create too much drag. 

    To complicate the quest a bit more, whatever the actual lure or bait behind the dodger, it has to be such that it will respond to the action intended to be imparted by the dodger.

    • It won’t thrash about sufficiently if the leader is too long to induce a strike.
    • If the drag of the lure is too significant, the dodger won’t kick.
    • If the leader is too light on the material, the lure or bait will just tow along lifelessly, not doing much to get the fish’s attention.

    In short, even with the best dodgers, if the rest of the rig isn’t correctly balanced to produce all the desired action, not much fishing will continue.

    This video demonstrates one such kokanee setup

    Kokanee Dodger Rig Setup – The Results

    This results from input from serious kokanee anglers around the Western United States. The dodger is an Arrow Flash, and the spinner rig behind it is an Arrow Spin.

    The Arrow Spin leader rig incorporates a size 4/0 Bear Valley spinner blade, placed with a few beads on a 12-pound test leader, using VMC kokanee hooks.

    The leader is only about a foot long, maybe a bit less. This is the leader length we found kokanee guides and tournament anglers most often recommended to us.  

    The dodger in this video is a standard-size Arrow Flash, just as it is when removed from the package.

    • No tuning, bending, or other adjustments have been made.
    • The trolling speed is 1.5 mph. As you can see, the dodger kicks like a mule but does not roll over.

    Likewise, the Arrow Spin leader rig is dancing up a storm behind the Arrow Flash. We were looking for this in a kokanee setup based on inputs from those whose kokanee fishing is a serious matter. 

    To sum it up, this sort of kokanee trolling setup addresses all the requirements of action, kick, and flash needed to satisfy the elements of successful kokanee angling. It has repeatedly proven its worth in this arena. And does so without excess drag.

     

    3.5 Class Trolling Spinners Guide

    3.5 Class Trolling Spinners – What Kind Should You Use?

    All 3.5 spinners are the same, right? Wrong! While there are many similarities, some 3.5 class spinner blade styles have different “spin profiles,” which can significantly change the presentation.

    The most common “3.5 spinners” use a 3.5 size Colorado style blade, where the name “3.5” came from. Even so, most blade styles of similar size use unique sizing scales. The shape, contour, length, and width make the difference, rather than the number on the blade.

    The term “3.5 Class” is used to identify spinners and spinner blades that are appropriately sized to fish well behind a 360° flasher.

    Each of these 4 blades are considered 3.5 Class Spinners:

    Spinner Guide

    3.5 Class Trolling Spinners Guide

    Blade

    Shape & Size

    Lift – Angle Between Blade & Shaft

    Round
    1-1/8” Long x 3/4” Wide

    Moderately dished contour provides high lift.

    Colorado

    Round
    1-1/4” Long x 7/8” Wide

    Pear shape provides a medium-lift.

    BV-Cub

    Round
    1-1/8” Long x 3/4” Wide

    A deeply cupped lip provides an even higher lift than a Colorado.

    Baby-Back

    Narrow ‘double-ended’ profile
    1-5/8” Long x 3/4” Wide

    Moderately dished contour and unique shape provide a lower lift for a tighter rotation around the shaft.

    Wise-Guy

    Ever notice that some spinners have different wire shaft lengths? 

    Here are a few reasons why …

     Longer wire shafts:

    1. Allow for easier tuning
    2. Can aid in protecting your leader because the fish’s teeth will more often be scraping on the wire and not on your leader line

    Short wire shafts:

    1. Don’t bend as easily, which may allow more time before you have to straighten or re-form the wire

    Take the spinner shaft between your thumb and forefinger and twist it back and forth. Your treble hook should spin straight with the wire shaft without moving side to side.

    If it is off-center, make minor adjustments until the hook aligns with the shaft. This is often best done by moving the hook within the hook tubing.

    What’s the Big Deal About 3.5 Spinners for Salmon?

    3.5 Spinners for Salmon

    What Size Spinner for Salmon is Best?

     

    Not so long ago, spinner fishing for salmon was a matter of large spinners with a distinctive ‘thump.’ Anglers in the know wanted to see their rod tip bouncing to the beat of the spinner blade as they trolled the rivers and bays in pursuit of king salmon.

    The ‘thump’ accomplished a couple of vital functions:

    • First, if it was thumping, it was working. The thump would change or stop entirely if the spinner got fouled with weeds or even on its own line. You knew it was time to reel it in and clear the mess. 
    • Second, and probably more importantly, if the thump stopped and the line went slack—even a little—you knew your spinner had likely been picked up by a salmon headed toward your boat. For those who could recognize these ‘slack-line bites, ’ the time to set the hook had been signaled. 
    • Finally, there is speculation that the thump generates additional attraction as it sends low-frequency sound waves out into the water.

    Those large spinners like the old T-Spoons and Cascade #7s will still produce just like they always did. But trends change, often for a good reason. Such is the case for the 3.5 salmon spinner craze.

    Some years ago, serious salmon anglers and guides discovered the benefits of 360° flashers (those with agitator rudders). Although they had been used for trolling with bait set-ups since they hit the market, it took the innovative thinking of a few to discover how effective they were when rigged with a spinner.

    The problem was that most traditional salmon spinners were too large to allow the flasher to rotate as designed.  

    The solution? A smaller spinner!

    Sounds simple enough, but the right balance of attraction and action had to be coupled with a hook that was not so large as to throw the whole works out of balance, yet strong enough to handle a battling Chinook salmon.

    Through trial and error, guides and serious salmon anglers developed a spinner that employed a 3.5 size Colorado style blade with a size 1 or 1/0 hook. That allowed the desired action and just enough hook to handle the target fish (most of the time). And thus, the 3.5 spinner craze was born. And so was a mindset that only a 3.5 spinner would work.

    While perfectly understandable, this thinking obscures the fact that other spinner styles and sizes will also work behind a 360° flasher. The issue is that every spinner style has its own unique sizing scale. Also, the actual size of the spinner that will allow a flasher to rotate properly depends as much on the shape and contour as the length and width. The 3.5 designation applies primarily to Colorado style blades. But other spinners and sizes also work.

    For example, while a slightly different shape, a size 1 Bear Valley style blade is approximately the same length and width as a size 3.5 Colorado. Furthermore, since it is more pear-shaped than the rounder Colorado, it actually trolls with a bit less resistance and so allows a slightly freer rotation of the flasher.

    Here’s a different comparison. A Wise Guy blade is longer but has a slimmer profile with a shallower-cupped contour.  Because of the hydro-dynamics of the longer Wise Guy blade, the flasher can still rotate well, but the spinner will have a much different profile and look to a salmon.

    You can see in this video how even though the Wise Guy 3.5 Spinner Blade appears larger than a 3.5 Colorado blade, it still allows a 360° flasher to rotate freely.

     

     

    To simplify the whole 3.5 mindset and reduce confusion about actual spinner sizes, it can be helpful to think of all spinners that troll well behind a 360° flasher as 3.5 class spinners. It is not the stated size for a spinner or spinner blade that counts, but rather how it behaves when trolled behind.

    To help illustrate, click to check out the >>> Tech Sheet’.

     

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